I Am Divinity

Session 9

Channeled by John McCurdy during a live Zoom session on 31 January 2024

This transcript has been edited from the original recording to ensure that the intended meaning is conveyed as clearly as possible. Note that Hmm, Mmm, and lines with just a dot signify places to pause, and to feel into what is being said.

Thank you to Chris Vandermeer for managing Zoom during the session, and for helping to prepare this transcript.

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John: Okay, welcome!

I’m not quite sure what’s going to happen today, but I’ve been feeling it since yesterday…

And I’m happy to have my beloved wife here beside me! [Romana is sitting next to John for this session]

Silvia: Happy to see you together!

John: Yes! So, go ahead and play the music Chris, and let’s see where we go.

[music plays]

Master Anna: I am that I am!

Master Anna, of Magical Service.

Welcome, dear friends!

Ahh…

Welcome to this very special session.

Oh, we might be overwhelming John a little bit, or a lot. But that’s okay, he’s ready for that.

My dear friend Master Aniya, the soul of John’s wife Romana, is here.

Ahh…

So, let’s start off with just a short check-in.

How are you today? Any questions?

Just to help us all connect our energies and prepare for what you might call a special ceremony.

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Silvia.

Silvia: Hi. Hi to everyone! I’m here once more with you guys, and I am happy to be here.

Master Anna: We are happy to have you here!

Silvia: It’s still home to feel all these energies. I am home!

Master Anna: Ahh…

Silvia: I am home.

Master Anna: And welcome home!

Silvia: Well, my human has been having lots of energies, ups and downs, ups and downs. But it’s good because she is realizing how the energy works. So she is realizing and changing her perception. So by changing her perception, she is more conscious and she is more asking for the energy and me to come.

So everything is well. Everything is well, even though the human is still fighting for the mundane activities that she doesn’t want to do anymore. She wants desperately the change that we are all expecting. But it’s coming, so she is still working on the stuff that she needs to work, like taxes for example. Ha! Nobody is happy to do taxes.

But she’s still working, you know, on that. And she’s, she’s really fighting it. She has to make a payment. She decided not to do it. But, and she’s… The reminders come in and she’s like, I’m going to do it, and then sometimes she does and sometimes she doesn’t. So she is really fighting that.

So, we are in the human world still, and we haven’t seen the changes around here. But they are coming. Just be patient. Just be patient and keep just playing. It’s just a game! It’s just a game.

That is what she is realizing these days: It’s just a game. That she is in the game, and she did the program, she was part of doing that program, and she’s leaving the program and she wants to change it right away. But we have to wait, because this is a game that we all play together. It is collective all around.

So, everything is okay. The energy goes up, goes down. The gravity goes up and down. She connects with me. She disconnects. It’s wonderful, because she is feeling everything.

Go ahead.

Master Anna: Mmm…

Thank you!

Chris: Okay, I’m doing good. Same old, same old for Chris. Same old fears being purged.

This last run with the website stuff was my last distraction, I promise.

[laughter]

Maybe… If I have another one and you guys sense it, you all have my verbal permission to kick me in the ass lovingly.

Master Anna: Or we’ll just watch you and smile…

[laughter]

Chris: Yeah, that works too. You know, I get there eventually!

Yeah, I’m feeling cool. John and I were talking a little bit. I have a couple of things hanging over my head which I’m trying not to let the mind cling onto and create a massive drama out of.

But other than that, I feel like for me, I’m in the process of stepping into my sovereignty at quite a deep level in terms of, like when I let go of these dramas that I have, I’m just… It’s actually a little bit scary, because mass-consciousness is gone. You know, I’m out of the Matrix gigs and all of that, and I don’t really have any huge drive in human life. And then I’m just left with me and my soul and saying, “Okay, well, what’s actually going to happen here? Like, what do you want to do with this life? I’ve let go of everything.”

And yeah, it requires a level of confidence that I’m not used to having, and a level of being outgoing and being really bold and… Yeah, I don’t know how else to put it other than life becoming my own. You know, really my own.

And other than that, I mean, energetically I feel like I’ve been hit by a brick for the past week and a bit, so I’m pretty slow. But yeah, plenty of nice stuff in between that, I guess. So, yeah.

Master Anna: Thank you.

Romana: Yeah, I had, as I already mentioned in one of the conversations on Facebook—it was the day before yesterday—it was just like, unbelievable how vulnerable I was feeling and how scared I was feeling.

It was almost like, “Oh, is that even possible that I can feel so insecure and so vulnerable?”

And so it felt like, yeah, like being on the bottom of a… And then it almost felt like it’s never going to end, in this moment. But then the next morning it was back to me, as my clarity and everything is coming back, and self-confidence is coming back, and with clarity it comes back also this feeling of joy and all that.

So it’s amazing to me how these up and downs can be. And as both of you said already, it’s just like human is learning how to navigate these extremes, and realizing that actually all is well. In all kind of situations I’m fine regardless how my emotions or my mental, my mind, all these aspects… I have me, and I’m fine regardless, but it is kind of exhausting to sometimes.

So, that’s from me.

Master Anna: Thank you.

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Indeed, John can relate so much to everything each of you have shared. Life has been so intense lately!

Things… Oh, he is surprised at how many things have been breaking around him, and he’s not used to that. Usually things don’t break around him.

And so many seeming challenges in the human life!

Ahh…

And also, this feeling of amazement at what we are doing, of being right on the cusp, right on the edge, of huge breakthroughs!

And the human goes, “Yeah but where are they? Why are they taking so long?”

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Yesterday John sat down to eat his lunch, and he noticed Romana’s stack of tarot cards nearby. A and he reached out and just thought, “What’s the most important thing I need to know for myself right now?” And he just pulled a card out.

And it was a bunch of vultures circling around a dead animal, and the title was “Negative Thinking.”

And he thought, “Ugh, why did I pull that?”

And so he pulled a couple more, because they were calling to him, and the next one was Clarity, a beautiful card. And the next one was Shaman, with a feeling of wisdom and grace.

And then he remembered, “Oh, that first one came out upside down!”

He doesn’t spend very much time with Tarot, but he knows that means something is a little different with this one. And he realized that he needed to become aware of the negative thinking of others.

He was already kind of wondering about that, because he’s aware of certain people who, well, let’s just say they don’t like him so much, for various reasons.

He never thought about that very much, because he knows he’s not a victim, and that nobody’s negative thoughts can touch him unless he allows it.

But he realized that as long as there is a little bit of shame in there, there is a place for those negative energies to hook.. Oh, and there is so much right now! There are so many energies, or entities, or whatever you want to call them, who do not want you to be doing what you are doing right now.

They do not want to see people becoming free!

And here, for those of us on this cusp of real true freedom, oh, they are pulling in every way they can to try to stop this.

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So, we thought we would do a little ceremony today, for stepping into true freedom.

Because in freedom… That’s what freedom is: No other energy can touch you when you are free. It can’t limit you. It can’t bind you.

Ahh…

This will be a little bit of a preview of the workshop we’ll be doing in mid-April, here in Slovania: Opening to Freedom.

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John’s mind is still wondering, “Where are we going with this? I don’t know what to say next!”

Well, dear John, it’s not up to you. I am here. Your soul, your Divinity.

Ahh…

And that is so much a part of opening to freedom: realizing that Soul is right here.

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[NOTE: This is where the “Audio Experience” recording on the class page begins. If you are reading this, even in another language, we recommend that you read along with that recording to allow the full experience.]

So, Romana has her drum here. We’ll ask her to just feel when it’s appropriate, and how it is appropriate.

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Let’s to come home, to this moment outside of everything.

Or inside. It doesn’t matter how you see it, but it is the grand moment of your experience, of your discovery of who you are.

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Allow yourself to feel yourself coming home, coming into the presence of this Divinity. This grand being that is you.

At the same time, allow yourself to see through her eyes. To see you, this grand being so full of experience, coming home.

Allow the embrace.

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Allow the embrace.

Allow the blending, as you blend together into one magnificent, grand being.

Just feel.

Allow the sound of the drum to carry you, to stir you, to facilitate this blending.

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Mmm…

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Now the human asks, why are all these things happening?

And the answer is, because you asked to be free, and so that’s what we are doing.

We are opening up to freedom.

Real freedom.

Oh, you’ve been talking for a long time about releasing mass-consciousness, this rigid framework of gravity that you created so long ago.

You could say that you laid the first part of that framework when you asked that question, Who am I?

That was the beginning of gravity.

It was the beginning of mass-consciousness.

In a sense, it was the beginning of losing your freedom.

Of limitation.

But it was all in service to a beautiful experience. And now, you are home.

Now it is time, indeed, to let go of that framework.

Hmm…

Oh, you can do it like the Ascended Masters did it. You can just leave!

And that’s perfectly fine. You are complete.

But you said, “I want to be so free that I can play in this framework, and not be bound to it. Not be limited by it.

Mmm…

So here we are.

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So here’s the thing: in order to release mass-consciousness, you have to actually release it.

In order to not be affected by the energies and agendas and games of others, you have to truly not care about what they think, or what they feel, or what they want with you.

Oh, that’s not so easy for the human.

But you see, that’s where the shame comes from!

If you didn’t care what anybody else thought or felt, you would not have any shame. And that is the truth.

Hmm…

And you would also be free. You wouldn’t be hooked into their games. They wouldn’t be able to manipulate you or control you or affect you in any way that you didn’t want.

You could still love them. You could still interact with them. But you would not be affected by them.

Hmm…

But that is difficult for the human, because the human is itself a part of this framework.

Mmm…

That’s why the human is changing.

That’s why the body is struggling so much right now.

Because in letting go of this framework, it is losing itself, in a sense.

You want your light body. But in order to have the light body, you have to let the human body go.

But you said, “I want to stay here!” so it’s not happening all at once. And that makes it a little bit challenging.

But you said, “I want to be so free that I can be here, and not here, at the same time!”

So we are changing the body. We are letting the human body fade away, gradually.

You didn’t want to do it like the ascended masters did it, where they either just died a normal death or went up in a ball of fire.

You said, “No, let’s do this in a way that doesn’t shock everybody around us, that allows us to still be present here, but in a very different way.”

In a way that the others see as the old you, but in a way that is not limited like the old you. That can come and go. That is truly free. That is not bound by gravity, physical or emotional or energetic gravity.

Mmm…

And that, dear friends, is coming.

That’s what we are doing right now.

But for it to happen, you have to be willing to let go of the old things in your life.

You’ve noticed things breaking, things not working, things changing, and sometimes you don’t understand why this is.

It is because they just don’t work that way outside of the framework, and there are so many things within the framework that you have to let go of, that you have to release, and the human isn’t so happy about that.

The human kind of liked its life, with all these familiar things. Even though it was frustrated with them a lot, at least they were familiar.

The human goes, “What am I going to do without these things, these people, in my life? What am I going to do next? What am I going to do with my life?”

Well, you are going to discover that there is so much, but it happens in a different way.

Mmm…

You might be inspired one day to go in a particular direction, and the human goes, “Oh, I see where we’re going! Oh, that’s exciting!” And the next day the inspiration is in an entirely different direction.

But that is how energy works.

Mmm…

You’ve seen the birds fly, and butterflies, and that’s how they go.

They don’t make a plan in the morning: “Oh, I’m going to catch ten worms today and work on my nest and travel a certain distance.”

No, they just wake up in the morning and sing their songs and find some food and follow the energies.

Hmm…

The human doesn’t know what to do with that. The human says, “Oh, I need to accomplish all these things, solve all these problems, and get all these things done!”

And more and more, it doesn’t work. It makes you crazy.

Mmm…

So, how much are you willing to let go of?

Hmm…

It doesn’t mean you have to leave all these things, but you have to let them go.

You have to let the people go.

You have to let the relationships go.

Oh, in the moment you might discover a whole new kind of relationship. But it will be in the moment, rather than a binding.

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So many things in your life, you take them for granted. And the human goes, “Well, isn’t my life going to include those things anymore?”

Well, it might. And it might not.

But as long as you are holding on to them, you are stuck in the gravity. You are stuck in the framework.

And more and more, because of what you are doing right now, because of your choice to be free, more and more that is going to hurt.

Mmm…

So, how much do you want to be free?

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The human says, “Oh, of course, I want to be free!”

But do you really?

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Freedom, real freedom, means living in the unknown.

It means living every moment in what has been called the Void of Creation.

To the human that feels so empty, so unknown, so terrifying!

But to the Master, to the real you, it is home.

It’s where your soul lives.

It’s where you find your divinity.

And it is where you can live, beginning right now, even as the human.

Hmm…

Or the… Let’s just call it the human-divine, because you are not really human anymore.

You are so much more than that!

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So, come now…

Bring your awareness, now, back into this beautiful embrace of your soul, your divinity.

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Allow yourself to rest here, in this beautiful embrace of all that you are.

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Feel the light.

Feel the soft warm glow.

The soft warmth of your soul as she holds you.

Mmm…

Allow yourself to blend.

Just to sink into this warmth.

This safety.

This wisdom.

This knowing.

It’s you.

You’ve seen it for so long as someone else, someone outside of you, bigger than you, wiser than you.

Feel now, how it is you.

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Feel now, how you are free.

You were never bound by any of that, of that gravity.

You have always been free.

You always are free.

But you had this beautiful experience of limitation!

And now you are free, even of that.

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Ahh…

But here, in your completion, you bring it with you.

It was all your energies anyway, and now they all come home with you and you can call them up anytime you want.

You can be a human, anytime you want to.

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And, you are free.

You are free from gravity.

One of these days—ha!—you are going to experience that in your human form. Or your supposedly human form…

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Because now, it is the whole you.

It is all of you.

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And as you come into this place, oh, no other energies can touch you. No other entities can manipulate you.

In this place you are so safe!

So safe that the word isn’t even relevant anymore, because there is nothing outside of you that can touch you.

But for the human, well, first is to know that this is happening.

It is a natural process.

It is happening, because you have chosen it.

Mmm…

But it will be easier if you are willing to let go.

If you are willing to realize that all those things that felt so real to you, don’t apply anymore.

Hmm…

But if you are going to decide that about one thing, you have to decide it about everything.

Otherwise, you will be stuck in chaos.

That’s okay too. There is a period of that in this transformation, and that’s just how it is. It’s okay.

But the question to ask yourself every day is, How much am I willing to let go of, in order to be free? Truly free?

But ask yourself that question in the knowing that being free goes both ways.

Real freedom means you are not bound to those things, but you are also free to interact with them, to interact with those people in whatever way you choose. But you are not bound to them. You don’t have to take on their pains and their issues and their agendas for you.

You can love them. You can receive their gifts, and not be hooked in.

Mmm…

Welcome home, dear friends!

And welcome to freedom!

Mmm…

How much do you want to be free?

How willing are you to be free?

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Let’s just sit for a few moments, with those questions and those feelings.

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And with the beautiful sound of the drum.

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Your freedom is here.

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Are you ready to let it in?

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Just choose it.

You already have, so it’s coming.

So at the human level you might as well make the choice again, and truly allow it.

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Everything you let go of, in opening to your freedom, is part of your own energies. It will come back to you, in a form that serves you rather than limits you.

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Can you let that happen?

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We invite you to bring your awareness back to the human.

Such a beautiful being this human is!

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Ahh…

Thank you, Romana, for the drumming.

[drumming ends]

Let’s open up, if there are any questions or thoughts…

And if not, that’s okay too.

Silvia?

Silvia: I just want to share some experience that my human has had in the past, present, all the time.

When she hears the words of freedom, she comes back to the experience of me flying the dragon while she was driving her car at the same time, both.

She is driving her car and me flying on top with the dragon, both at the same time, feeling each other. It’s just beautiful for her and she, every time that she hears that word freedom, she reminds of that. And it’s so beautiful that I want to share with you also, because it might help another one to hear that.

Master Anna: Thank you.

Hmm…

And our question for you is, are you ready to be both at once?

Well, that’s kind of what you said. But to blend together, so your soul is driving and human is flying?

Silvia: All the time.

Master Anna: Ah, wonderful.

Silvia: I am ready.

Master Anna: Mmm…

Anything else? 

Romana: I would, um…

Maybe I didn’t, you know, allow myself to go fully in it, because I was having the responsibility of keeping the rhythm, but…

Master Anna: And thank you so much!

Romana: You’re welcome.

But what I realized through this… Um, why drum? You know, why you felt like inviting drum in?

It felt like, because drum is the… Because I was feeling how drum is connecting, opening, to the space of the source, of womb, of the deep womb of this—it’s kind of, some people say chaotic, dark, nothingness, or you know, whatever names. But it’s just this vastness of this safety, and it just felt so appropriate to… When I allowed myself to fully expand into this place I could feel how ultimately safe I am.

Like, when I’m nothing, then nothing can harm me.

It’s just such a huge feeling of release and freedom in this place of womb, of this womb that is connected with heartbeat and womb-beat. That’s how I felt in the body.

And so, yeah, I wanted to share how deep this freedom felt for me from this, also connected with the beat of the drum.

And also something else, which I… Ah,  I have a question, but anybody else wants to share something before that? No?

So the question is, if I understood right… So, these others, or other, you know, because in real life it does feel like others, you know. I mean, for the human, when you’re not in this consciousness of oneness with yourself, it does feel like these thoughts are basically, you know, like I can feel them in my body sometimes, like they create fear and me feeling squeezed and feeling some kind of…

So my question here, it’s a little bit complicated question maybe, or not. So you said that when we are in this place, we just realize it’s, uh… I mean they are, everything is us, right? In a way.

So we can love these people, aspects, entities, whatever forces, and still not be affected by them?

So this means, like, they are invited in my space?

Or, this is another thing that happened to me at some point. I just felt, like, this magnificent tiger coming from my belly, and roar like this big, huge, strong voice that basically made me feel, “I’m here. I’m just feeling so here, and this sound just created this space. It’s me. It’s here. Everything else is just kind of, you know, kind of flew away.

So my question is, if those, let’s say energies, or people, or whatever, if they flew away, is that like I’m still in a fighting position with those? Or, it’s like the real freedom is when this roar, this sound of my primal freedom, you know, like my primal I Am.

Yeah, so is that clear what I’m asking? Or not really? Do you want me to explain more?

Master Anna: I think we get it.

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You see, it all comes back to this framework of mass-consciousness.

Within this framework is the only place that another being can touch you. And that touch can be beautiful, or it can be manipulative and cruel, but it can only happen within this framework.

Call it gravity, call it mass-consciousness, or whatever, it’s this framework that you created in order to be able to touch other beings.

We’ve talked about many different metaphors for how that works, but it doesn’t matter.

Oh, when you roar that primal… That primal energy comes out, and basically it says, “No more! I am me! I am disconnecting from this, and there is no more space here for you to treat me that way!”

That is a beautiful thing. That is you, setting yourself free.

We wouldn’t get into arguing about whether you are fighting with them or not, for that’s not the point. That is a distraction.

When that primal roar comes out of you, that is you saying, “Here I am! I am me, and I am happy with me and nobody can take that away from me!” And then they can’t.

Does that get anywhere close to your question?

Romana:Yeah.

What I was saying, you know, it’s like, it just still felt this duality, like this is me, and this is you that I’m fucking off. [laughter] But what I understand is, you know, if I understand it or not, it’s like this um… It wasn’t like a really loving roar, you know. I mean, it was loving for me, but not necessarily for them. It was like, “No, there is no space for that bullshit here anymore.”

Master Anna: Exactly. And sometimes, that is the most loving thing.

Oh, humans have so many definitions for love, and most of them are pure need, or neediness.

Needing to be liked by the other person.

That doesn’t have anything to do with love, and it hooks you in. It hooks you into their manipulation.

Ahh…

The most loving thing you can do is to stand in your primal roar: This is me! Deal with me! But don’t mess with me, because, well, this is me! And you can’t mess with me.

Ha! We’re getting caught up in our words here, but you can feel this.

That is love!

That is love for you, and that is where it starts.

And it is also love for them, because in setting them free of your own need for them to feel good, oh, that is love.

That is setting them free to be the creators that they are. It is showing them how they can eventually set themselves free.

Was there more?

Romana: Yeah.

So I get this part, you know. It’s about this needs to not be judged or, you know. But it’s also about, I mean, there is this idea, you know, that we’ve been listening for many years from different teachers, like that everything is your creation, and every aspect, every other people, are basically your own aspects, or something like that. So I would just like to ask if that’s applies here, or if we are going beyond that “thing” now, you know, this…

Master Anna: Everything we can put into words is just a metaphor. And so, yes it applies and no, it doesn’t apply. It’s both.

And if you take it too literally, too seriously, then it is just another layer of gravity. But for its intended purpose, it’s a good metaphor. It helps to understand—it’s not a full understanding, but it helps understand some of the dynamics involved.

But here, in this metaphor, in a sense, we are going beyond it. We are saying, Yes, there are those others. You do feel them. But when you come into that place of that primal strength in yourself, you are no longer bound to them.

When you find the place where it’s okay with you if they are miserable… You are an empath, you feel that. But you do not have to take it in. You don’t have to… Ha! You don’t have to care.

Oh, even that word is messy, because it has other implications also. But you set yourself free from them, and then they can’t touch you unless you allow them to. Which you would only do if they are, uh, being nice.

Oh, words!

Ahh…

Anything else?

Chris: Silvia has something.

Master Anna: Ah.

Silvia?

Silvia: I would like to share something that happened this week. Silvia got a test, and then she was caught in the middle of two people. And then she reacted and got mad, and then she was drained.

But that example helps her to see that all what we see outside, it was created for us, is just a program to help us realize that we are Master.

And it was just to telling me, or asking me, let’s see how Master you are. Obviously I wasn’t, and I got mad, and then I was drained. But, and then I was feeling okay. Why did I have this experience?

Okay, it’s telling me that I need to learn not to give away my energy by reacting. Just keep it to myself, be calm, and don’t react.

That is another way to keep my energy with me. But, if I didn’t have that experience, I didn’t realize it. So the experience was there because of the program. It was meant to be, for me to reflect me. And I’m a Master.

Master Anna: indeed.

Silvia: So every example, every experience, is helping me to realize that.

Master Anna: Everything, everything, everything in any of our lives right now, is about becoming free!

Silvia:And I just realized that we give away our energy by asking others’ opinions. But I didn’t understand that. I heard that before, but I didn’t understand that. By giving another’s, ah, making things for others instead of us, always others, others, others.

And that example makes me realize, oh I see that what they mean to, to manage our energy. And that’s what it is, managing our own energy by not reacting. That way the energy is not going to be still. But is it still really

You just feel drained. But you get back to yourself, and then again you have energy again. So it’s just a program, serving as a mirror for us to see ourselves.

Master Anna: Yes.

Mmm…

Oh, in the next couple of weeks, we invite you to feel into this.

Feel into these questions:

How much do you want to be free?

And how much of your human life and your human identity are you willing to let go of, in order to be free?

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That doesn’t mean, necessarily, that it leaves your life, but you have to be willing to let go of it. Otherwise it still has a hook, and you are still caught in the gravity. And you are still at the mercy of other people.

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So consider that, and we’ll see you again in a couple of weeks.

And so it is.

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Chris: Thanks guys. Thank you Master Anna, John, Romana and Silvia. Thank you so much.

John: Thank you!

Romana: Thank you!

I would just have one, not question, but one, you know, comment on that.

It just feels to me like, you know, it’s like so many of these hooks inside, and so many… It’s kind of an art of becoming free.

It’s not like, you know, now I realize what freedom is, and then… Just like letting go of these pieces of identity, it’s like the whole process of years, isn’t it?

John: Yeah.

There are moments when we can let big chunks of it go, but they just happen when they are ready.

Chris, you were saying?

Chris: No, Silvia just had something to add but it was a bit choppy.

Silvia: Oh, just two things. The first is that we just miss Monika.

Chris: Oh, I messaged her. She has quite a severe flu, cold/flu, so she’s in bed.

John: Ahh, we hope you feel better soon, Monika! She’ll hear the recording.

Silvia: And it is good that we know about her. That’s good.

John: Yes, thank you Chris.

Romana: Yes!

Silvia: And the other thing is, just by being aware of those hooks, it will release.

John: Yes, indeed!

That’s the biggest thing, just letting it into our awareness. Then it gets taken care of.

Ah, thank you for joining us!

Silvia: Thank you. Chris was so quiet today.

[laughter]

Chris: Yeah, I’m burning up. I’m pretty… I’m pretty dense at the moment. There’s a lot leaving my system, so I’m just as still as I can be.

John: I think that’s true for all of us right now. It certainly has been for us!

Chris: Yes, it’s just fire in the belly. So I’m not moving too much.

Romana: That was a big one. Thank you, John.

Silvia: Good that it is leaving.

Chris:Totally, yeah, it is. It’ll be fun on the other side of this one, on the other side of this contraction, you know. It’s like Romana was saying, we contract and then we expand, and then we are in a new reality. So I’m just in a contractive phase at the moment.

John: Yeah, so many of us!

[Thanks and goodbyes]

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